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Topic: Conservatives using Alinsky´s Rule Number 5 |
Conservatives using Alinsky´s Rule Number 5
American Thinker, by Thomas Lifson
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Posted By:DW626, 11/22/2012 5:42:45 AM
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| Two of the most interesting stars in the world of conservative broadcasting, each a master of ridicule, have newly published books timed for the for the Christmas season. Michael Savage and Greg Gutfeld are both masters of ridicule, a tool extensively deployed by the left but too little by the right, especially its more respectable regions. The left, after all, was instructed by Saul Alinsky in Rule Number 5: Ridicule is man´s most potent weapon. It´s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage."
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Reply 1 - Posted by:
Spidey, 11/22/2012 6:07:49 AM (No. 9028867)
Alinsky´ rules were part of the Occupy movement to mock and ridicule wealth so it would eventually trickle down to Romney in the election. A lot of the attack ads and other brainless accusations were made up out of thin air against his time at Bain.The union guy who lost his wife to cancer 5 years later was blamed on Romney´s heartlessness and it worked.
The left still claims the republicans are the party of the rich which is insane. they´re for prosperity so it improves the lives of those working for them. They do more to spread the wealth by jobs and income taxes than leftists could ever dream of.
The liberals remind me of a circle of buzzards flying over a dying economy looking to pick the meat off who´s left.They´re making a big mistake thinking people are going to fork over wealth they worked their entire lives for.The economy has been dead the last 4 years over wealth preservation.Obamacare was designed for the government to forcibly steal wealth.These people really believe there´s blood in a turnip. How many people do the Koch brothers employ compared to Buffet?
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
franq, 11/22/2012 6:49:14 AM (No. 9028890)
The facts #1 cites are true. Unfortunately, liberals and facts are like oil and water.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
Jallmon, 11/22/2012 7:26:23 AM (No. 9028932)
Now, this could be fun.
Another thing that bothered me: when Sarah was introduced as VP candidate, the libs immediately sent 30-40 Operators to Alaska to dig up crap on her, and file frivolous ethics charges. They put her in debt about $2 million for legal fees forcing her to resign. (And none of the charges stuck.)
I mentioned to a coworker that I hope Sarah becomes even more involved now. His reply, "she is a quitter, she couldn´t even finish her term as governor." Amazing.
Those are the new rules. Are we going to completely ignore them.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
PoliticalJunky, 11/22/2012 7:27:14 AM (No. 9028934)
I belong to the Tea Party Patriots and Jenny Beth was hostile to Romney from day one. I happened to receive a phone call from her, raising money, and when I suggested to her that the Tea Party should endorse Romney, she was very dismissive. I don´t mean to give the impression we know each other, she didn´t know me from Adam.
As to Ted Cruz, I am surprised at his crude language abd disapointed to see that he is capable of it.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
sagman, 11/22/2012 7:46:37 AM (No. 9028958)
Yes, ridicule the so-and-so´s, and you don´t need to have platforms like Rush´s or Savage´s to do it.
Today´s contribution:
From Benghazi -- The Musical
Try to remember that night in September When men were trapped and you turned yellow. Try to remember the rest of September When lies were told and you stayed mellow. Try to remember those days in November When the dodge unraveled, unlucky fellow. Try to dissemble, it´s Bill you´ll resemble, Then you´ll be impeached and maybe Senate Democrats will do the right thing for once and convict you.
Deep in November, your honor´s an ember, ´Cause nothing´s changed, your core is hollow. Deep in November, it´s hard to remember Just how you hawked the swill we swallowed. Deep in November, on track to dismember Our rights, our dreams, to pen us in wallow. Come new Novembers, if we don´t remember, Well, we´ll start looking more and more like Greece, And instead of leading, we´ll follow, follow, follow.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
cobieone, 11/22/2012 7:46:49 AM (No. 9028960)
Allow me to slightly disagree, #1. Everything you mentioned is true, but has nothing to do with why Romney lost. Far fewer of the buzzard flying libs showed up for this election than 2008. It´s we conservatives who didn´t get the job done. This article is about two conservative broadcasters possibly appealing to new potential conservatives. I actually believe Savage, and those like him, is partly to blame for the lack of conservatives showing up at the polls. Savage criticizes just about every Republican and promotes the idea that all politicians are bad, so why vote for any of them. Too many like-minded people out there, who would be Republican votes, staying home on election day. We didn´t unite behind Romney and therefore we lost. What makes Thomas Lifson think these new fans of Michael Savage will be any different??
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
vwlarry, 11/22/2012 7:54:00 AM (No. 9028965)
Greg Gutfeld is unique in all the world; an acid-dipped lollipop of wit and humor who never hates. He just lampoons the HELL out of that which deserves to be lampooned, and may God bless and keep this wonderful guy for the great work he does on this earth. In an increasingly depressing world, Greg keeps me LAUGHING, and that´s no small accomplishment. Love ya, Greg! :-D
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
Crosscut, 11/22/2012 8:00:00 AM (No. 9028968)
The GOP should be ripping Hillary a new one everyday until another potential 2016 Dem candidate sticks their head up. They should mock, ridicule, distort, lie and criticize without let up. She has given them plenty of legitimate ammunition with her total failure as SoS. Playing nice is for chumps.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
LZK, 11/22/2012 8:02:19 AM (No. 9028971)
The most important tactic to use against the libbies is "ridicule". They have a short fuse -- as witnessed by the magic zero who gets hostile very quickly when confronted with "truth".....
libbies are convinced they can act like "lying children" and WE the "grownups" will get upset but "fix" their problems.
Wrongo buckaroo!! They can cheat and lie and manipulate all day long and WE grownups will out/smart them in the end.
They stole this election with the votes of takers -- but -- never thought that the "givers" would move their assets and survive the facebook and twitter demands...
Sorry -- I am not amused....
LZK
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
Newtsche, 11/22/2012 8:31:12 AM (No. 9029006)
Great thinking, #8. Who knows, put enough heat on Hillary and no telling who she would go after to protect her manufactured image. Falling on swords isn´t her thing.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
PageTurner, 11/22/2012 8:42:35 AM (No. 9029020)
Great piece, glad to see Thomas Lifson writing more.
Make me want to read both books.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
HistoryBuff, 11/22/2012 9:01:16 AM (No. 9029046)
I´ve never understood why they great talkers (Rush, Levin, etc) of radio, don´t take the simple production of taking speeches by the Obama´s, Clinton´s etc. and play them with a laugh track behind them.
Simple, easy to do, and makes your point.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
antiquegolf, 11/22/2012 9:02:15 AM (No. 9029048)
Poster 8 speaks for many who believe in the Leo Durocher view that nice guys finish last. It is incumbent that the GOP take the needle to piaps. Start with the "I dodged machine gun fire on the tarmac in Bosnia." it was a fall tale she told multiple times to draw attention to herself. The exposure of this big lie may have cost her the 2008 nomination. She briefly recaptured momentum in the campaign. Then Sheryl Atkission of CBS slammed her with the truth. It rocked piaps on her heels, she went on letterman and tried to make a joke about it but it was too late. For she had become a laughing stock. Once that happens to a politician it is over.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
dolphin, 11/22/2012 9:20:08 AM (No. 9029070)
The left owns entertainment. Otherwise nice people laugh at the essentially racist (we are that race) product they produce.
And it especially works if you make listening to anything said by our side a mortal sin (and it IS a religion).
Greg Gutfeld is funny, but does a Greg Gutfeld ridiculing in the forest make a sound if there´s no demwit there to listen?
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
Saildreamer, 11/22/2012 10:06:06 AM (No. 9029161)
Gutfeld will help conservatives win the cultural war. He makes it hip to be consevative. Love him on The Five but especially like Red Eye. Looking forward to the book.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
fire_mission, 11/22/2012 10:16:25 AM (No. 9029181)
bingo #6...evidence abounds that evangelicals and liberatarians cost Romeney the election.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
jfodoch, 11/22/2012 10:19:18 AM (No. 9029197)
I used to believe that taking the high road would appeal to most voters, and I still believe there´s room for that in elections. Conservatives can win again without lying and character assassination, and if some of the suggestions in previous posts are used, I´m betting it would work.
This, along with bettering marketing of conservative solutions, will lead to a whole new climate change in DC in 2 years.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
EnsignO´Toole, 11/22/2012 10:19:26 AM (No. 9029199)
Sagman - BRAVO - WELL DONE!!! This is your best one yet - "Try to Remember" is one of the best songs from the 1960´s. You should record the song with your words and send it to Michael Savage and Greg Gutfeld and this article. They might play it on their programs.
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
marthaville, 11/22/2012 10:30:17 AM (No. 9029218)
Our nation will not elect Hillary in 2016 when she will be a 69 year-old white woman. The women that voted for Obama because he lied to them and claimed Romney would take away their birth control and ban abortions will not be motivated to vote for an old woman to be president.
I do wonder, should Obama claim he can run for a third term, if his primary opposition will be the other Clinton, and I don´t mean Chelsea.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
Elvira, 11/22/2012 10:50:12 AM (No. 9029256)
I agree - BRAVO, 5!! Good to see you in such great form! Happy Turkey Day! ;-D
Also, Greg is the man! His rapier wit slicing through the pretenses of puffed up libs is a joy to see! Yet, as another poster noted, Greg is hip. He´s the right´s Jon Stewart - only with larger vocabulary goodness!
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
Rumblehog, 11/22/2012 10:57:26 AM (No. 9029272)
Now I know why God created me with such an acid wit when challenged. It´s time for war.
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
walcb, 11/22/2012 10:58:31 AM (No. 9029273)
Love Gutfeld´s segment on the Five.
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
bogeegolf, 11/22/2012 11:07:17 AM (No. 9029299)
I truly believe that the rats will push a women on a us for the 2016 election. The race card was played so well getting Zippy eight years they will try the sexist card next. Of course,they will not be held accountable for their treatment of Palin.
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
RancherJack, 11/22/2012 11:09:30 AM (No. 9029308)
Author Thomas Lifson is a national treasure
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
ebuilder, 11/22/2012 11:15:05 AM (No. 9029323)
To those who can´t stomach Michael Savage, recall there was a time when he was the 3rd most listened to broadcaster. Yes his fighting style is out of the street where he was born. I know because I was born there. It is the toughest street in the world. We look at Republicans like Rove and Bush and we see losers and a fix. In Bush, you have a man who believes Christians and Muslims pray to the same God. When you have surrendered this truth, you can be controlled by "money." We were a separated nation unto Him -- and we were blessed. This has offended many -- and in thre last days, "many will be offended." Bronx conservatives don´t have to think deeply to know the ticket is just about set for 2016, and there will be no Christians or conservatives allowed. Just accountants and losers. And they lose because they neither understand the drug experience and spiritual force of the enemy, nor are they willing to fight them to the death out of love for this place. Savage fights, and he is not at all graceful. He is also a pain in the a** narcissist like O´Reilly, but he is not the stunning oblivious a**hat O´Reilly is. Savage is a Jewish prophet who will tell you the plain truth the way we heard it in the Bronx. Because he is a doctor of probiotics or whatever, he is gentrified enough to edit out the F-words for adjectives and nouns. Never be ashamed of Christ, your heritage, your forefatherss and heroes, and never never surrender.
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Reply 26 - Posted by:
Sinatra5, 11/22/2012 11:18:57 AM (No. 9029330)
Bang on, # 26...Give methe poeple who graduated from the University of Mean Streets....Kudos to Sagman - He keeps me going...
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Reply 27 - Posted by:
leftcoastmom, 11/22/2012 11:51:13 AM (No. 9029386)
Redeye is simply the best show on tv.
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Reply 28 - Posted by:
doctorfixit, 11/22/2012 12:18:38 PM (No. 9029438)
It´s encouraging to see that some are finally realizing that gutter politics cannot be defeated by Marquis of Queensbury rules. Richard M. Nixon and Lee Atwater knew how to deal with Democrats. After JFK stole the 1960 election, Nixon did not whine about it. He got even. Sometimes you can win even if you are retreating. The GOP has never learned that. Right now the GOP is on the defensive because of the Democrat party´s successful anti-european-male program. The GOP can´t win on that field. But there are other battlegrounds on which the Democrats can be slaughtered using similar tactics.
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Reply 29 - Posted by:
ocjim, 11/22/2012 12:24:43 PM (No. 9029445)
Savage could make some real contributions to the Conservative cause if he´d only dial it back a couple clicks. He won´t.
In contrast, I appreciate Ann Coulter´s career arc. Outrageous at the outset, she got herself on everybody´s radar screen, especially the reactive Left. Then she dialed it back, lost the shrillness, and slid in some sober scholarship and insight. Like all of us she´s still really wrong on occasion --- Chris Christie??? --- but her fine, meticulously researched book ´´Demonic´´ is a considerable Conservative contribution, IMO, worth a read and reread.
Savage could have learned from Coulter. But he won´t.
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Reply 30 - Posted by:
GOP_U_BET, 11/22/2012 12:28:04 PM (No. 9029453)
#3 wrote, "I mentioned to a coworker that I hope Sarah becomes even more involved now. His reply, "she is a quitter, she couldn´t even finish her term as governor." Amazing."
Yes, this was a constant meme on every Conservative blog including this one. I noticed that it was a particular favorite with people who favored certain other candidates, who were more in the NE Moderate category. That canard and her "screechy hick" voice were the most repeated complaints.
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Reply 31 - Posted by:
GOP_U_BET, 11/22/2012 12:32:12 PM (No. 9029459)
Hillary will be running 2016--witness the highly publicized Gaza Peace deal this week brokered by the Islamist regime she helped put in place in Egypt. The Muslim world wanted Obama because he is weak and feckless. They want Hillary for the same reasons, plus, they will be able to whip their followers into a frenzy with rhetoric regarding the Great Satan being ruled by a Woman and a nasty, ugly, and shrill woman at that.
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Reply 32 - Posted by:
ocjim, 11/22/2012 12:56:55 PM (No. 9029493)
#28, I´d say Redeye is uneven, but nevertheless groundbreaking conservative TV. Sometimes brilliant, sometimes really average, depending on the panel, of course. Gutfeld gets it that Culture trumps Politics, and is progressing along that line. America is a Center Right country swimming in a Liberal Cultural sea spanning from public education to Hollywood. The Right must push back (or advance) culturally as well as politically, else we will repeat this year´s political failures. Again, Gutfeld gets this.
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Reply 33 - Posted by:
PoliticalJunky, 11/22/2012 1:12:10 PM (No. 9029509)
I´m from the NE, I was for Romney from Day One, and I never said one word against Sarah. I am getting pretty tired of assumptions.
I love Greg. He was raised humanely. One evening when the Five were talking about their childhoods (Bob said he was abused and punished unmercifully) Greg´s mother came on camera and she denied that she had spanked him. He said, "you don´t remember chasing me around the living room with a fly swatter?" and she said no. She is a really sweet lady with the same sense of fun that he has..
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Reply 34 - Posted by:
martinsh, 11/22/2012 1:16:05 PM (No. 9029512)
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Reply 35 - Posted by:
martinsh, 11/22/2012 1:19:06 PM (No. 9029517)
I think Greg Gutfeld is the funniest person on TV and I would urge the GOP to find a way to have him and the bald headed fellow on Imus host late night talk shows. Not as late as Greg´s show now, but put them up against Leno and Letterman and watch their rating collapse.
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Reply 36 - Posted by:
federale, 11/22/2012 1:42:56 PM (No. 9029542)
Gutfield did a terrific job subbing for O´Reilly.
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Reply 37 - Posted by:
Pgvoisin, 11/22/2012 3:36:11 PM (No. 9029656)
After thousands of years of intellectual evolution, American society is now in the process of devolving. Alinsky believes in destroying and not building our society. Competing with him to out-ridicle conservative thinking is a mistake. As long as the Media protects the lies and the facts from America, we, as citizens, must continue to expose the Truth and engage in the consequences of Socialism which is the reduction of our Freedom and the expansion of the "Big Brother Big Government Plantation". Alinsky has no value or benefit to human evolution.
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Reply 38 - Posted by:
4Justice, 11/22/2012 4:17:40 PM (No. 9029707)
I disagree #6 & 17, most of us still showed up, but the leftists stuffed the ballot boxes and committed every kind of fraud possible. I stand by that allegation with every part of my being. The left committed major voting fraud and that is the ONLY real reason why they won.
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Reply 39 - Posted by:
grundoon, 11/22/2012 10:25:04 PM (No. 9029997)
You know, there´s signal and noise and fire and smoke. The post mortem of this election is all about smoke and noise. The first and foremost goal of conservatism---number one on the list of things to do to regain a foot hold in this nation---is to neutralize the liberal media!! They have spent the last 40 years dumbing down and liberalizing the public through their news censorship and mushroom growing propagandizing (keep ´em in the dark and cover them with manure). It´s no wonder 63 million ignorant mushrooms voted for the most imcompetent man to ever run for president in 2008. I´m not convinced that there aren´t a couple of conservatives rich enough buy to out two of the big three broadcasters (ABCCBSNBC) and turn them into legitamite news organizations. The WAPO is slowly dying and maybe someone can convince Carlos Slim to give up bailing out the Times so it will go belly up. Until the American people are told the truth (the WHOLE truth) consistantly every night on the 6 o´clock news they are going to continue to be dumb enough to fall for the socialist/labor/democrat lies on the campaign trail. How many times have you asked yourself "how could they be so dumb to vote for him"? Well, if your world view was filtered through ABCCBSNBCCNN you´d understand why.
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Reply 40 - Posted by:
get er done, 11/22/2012 10:41:32 PM (No. 9030006)
Triple dittos to #39. Conservatives showed up and voted in force and libs/dems/socialists used every means of voter fraud imaginable to steal the election in key states. When voter turnout greatly exceeds registered voters, Dems are stealing an election. When busloads of Somalis show up to vote and cannot read their ballots in a state which does not required voter ID, Dems are stealing an election. When electronic voting machines in more than a few states keep defaulting to Obama when the voter chooses Romney, Dems are stealing an election. When multiple precincts report 0 votes for Romney, Dems are stealing an election.
Write your State government, and contact your electors and challenge the election in your state if you have encountered fraudulent voter practices or know of fraudulent election practices. When we voted for president in 2008 in Alexandria, Virginia, there were NO NAMES on the presidential ballot, only party names.
The Electoral College meets December 17th, so take action now to defeat voter frauds.
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Reply 41 - Posted by:
grundoon, 11/22/2012 10:51:43 PM (No. 9030016)
Pardon my second post, but to make may point the mushroom media hammered Bush on the Abu Graib issue--a fratenity hazing on steriods. Well, the best kept secret of the Aphgan war--to protect Obama--is one of the worst military atrocities since Me Lai. Which, even most well informed Ldotters are probably not aware of. Google "5th Stryker Brigad kill team" and be astounded. It´s the best kept secret since the Manhattan Project--thanks to a compliant media.
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Reply 42 - Posted by:
grundoon, 11/22/2012 10:53:26 PM (No. 9030019)
Ooops. sorry that´s "5th Stryker brigade kill team"
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Reply 43 - Posted by:
annie xango, 11/22/2012 11:37:25 PM (No. 9030045)
I love me some Greg G..just bought his book last nite..it is terrific...buy it and support him...
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Reply 44 - Posted by:
rexhandsom, 11/22/2012 11:39:28 PM (No. 9030047)
Greg is [drop the g]add at........
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American Thinker, by Sally Zelikovsky
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Posted By: magnante- 5/23/2013 8:09:21 AM
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What´s so interesting about 60 tea partiers protesting the IRS in San Jose, California on Tuesday, May 21st? The fact that this bit of information was conveyed to the protesters by a Department of Homeland Security officer who was also in attendance. What was a DHS agent doing at the San Jose Tea Party protest? (snip) they weren´t just spying on us in San Jose and monitoring us in San Francisco, they were watching us throughout the entire state
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Eva Longoria graduates with master´s degree in Chicano studies
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Los Angeles Times, by Nardine Saad
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Posted By: NorthernDog- 5/23/2013 3:03:53 PM
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Eva Longoria is backing up her beauty with a whole lot of brain. The actress graduated with a master´s degree Wednesday. Longoria, 38, took home a real degree (not an honorary one) in Chicano studies from Cal State Northridge, where she physically attended classes for three years, according to TMZ. "Big day today!!! Very excited to graduate for my master´s degree in Chicano studies! You´re never too old or too busy to continue your education!" the actress wrote on her Who Say site Wednesday, sharing loads of pics of her big day, posing with her family, cohorts and diploma.
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The Mystery Night
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Politico, by Rich Lowry
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Posted By: RappVol- 5/23/2013 7:36:59 AM
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On “Fox News Sunday” last weekend, White House aide Dan Pfeiffer was asked about President Barack Obama’s whereabouts the night of the Sept. 11 attack in Benghazi. This was the night when we lost our first ambassador in 30 years, and when three other Americans were killed in an attack that lasted all night long at multiple locations within the eastern Libyan city. Since the president is commander in chief, one would think where he was and what he did during such an event would be of obvious public concern.
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