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Bakers´ union releases
statement on Hostess demise

Dallas Business Journal, by Katherine Cromer Brock

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Posted By:earlybird, 11/18/2012 12:53:39 PM

After a day of silence, finally word from the union whose strikes last week prompted Hostess to announce it would liquidate the company. The union wasn´t just giving the media the cold shoulder. Hostess CEO Gregory Rayburn told CNBC this morning that the union had stopped returning his calls a month ago. But this afternoon, the union had a lot to say. This from Frank Hurt, president of the 80,000-worker Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union:

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The union boss, after a long litany of the sins of the company´s executives, reveals that the 5000 member union knew what the consequences of its action might be, that it would bring down the company. The larger Teamsters Union (7500 members) had already accepted the company´s offer.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Ida Lou Pino, 11/18/2012 12:59:14 PM     (No. 9022176)

Well - - they sure showed the bosses who´s the real boss. They went on strike! strike! strike! strike! - - and shut ´em down!

Good work, fellas - - that´s showing ´em!

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Reply 2 - Posted by: stablemoney, 11/18/2012 12:59:58 PM     (No. 9022178)

The union boss blames management for not investing in modernizing the bakeries, but management doesn´t invest in anything, investors do, but there have to be profits. The union boss elected unemployment for its members, so now he has it.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Javelin, 11/18/2012 1:02:27 PM     (No. 9022186)

What a great argument:"I´m not a thief because that other guy is a thief, too." Poor management is highly likely in this situation, but it hardly excuses the union´s obduracy. The union could be heard in bankruptcy court. Their approach should have been to insist on relief during that process.


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Reply 4 - Posted by: retiree, 11/18/2012 1:06:22 PM     (No. 9022195)

How much money has the union invested in the company. They take in enourmous amounts in union dues each month. I know a lot went into Obama´s campaign but how much do they invest in the companies? How much did the unions invest in GM? Taxpayers are only out over 50 billion dollars on that one. What are the salaries of the big union bosses?
Why did 39 unions agree to the terms and only one refused? Why were trucks not allowed to carry bread and twinkies both on their routes?

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Reply 5 - Posted by: EQKimball, 11/18/2012 1:07:17 PM     (No. 9022196)

Well, St. Peter, the real reason I did early is that my doctor outrageously insisted that I scale back on my high-calorie, low exercise, consumptive lifestyle. I blame him and the medical profession for not saving me from myself.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: provide, 11/18/2012 1:11:05 PM     (No. 9022204)

Union Boss, "Hose ´em ´til we close ´em."

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Topic Thunder, 11/18/2012 1:12:13 PM     (No. 9022206)

Now the Bakers union can buy the company in whole or part, invest in it, modernize it, promote it, make it profitable and put all its´ members back to work, working directly for the union.

The appropriately named union president, Frank Hurt, sounds like a brilliant man with all the answers. He should roll up his sleeves and make it happen. His workers deserve it and most of all, the Twinkies deserve it.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: pigop, 11/18/2012 1:20:36 PM     (No. 9022212)

I think Bain Capital should come in and save Hostess for the good of the oppressed union members.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: woodsman, 11/18/2012 1:21:22 PM     (No. 9022215)

And Hurt will continue to make $262,654 - can you say 1%?

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Reply 10 - Posted by: eoddad, 11/18/2012 1:24:38 PM     (No. 9022222)

This article reminds me of those non-union Southern Electrical linemen who went north to help in the aftermath of Sandy and were told they didn´t need their services and when they did do some help were called Scabs while having eggs throw at them. Death to the union movement.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: grambo, 11/18/2012 1:33:35 PM     (No. 9022235)

So the Union “stood strong for dignity, justice and respect” and now 18,000 breadwinners and their families have lost their paychecks. The Union had to destroy the company on principle.

Who is John Galt?


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Reply 12 - Posted by: secondtimelucky, 11/18/2012 1:36:00 PM     (No. 9022239)

Our members were aware that while the company was descending into bankruptcy and demanding deep concessions, the top 10 executives of the company were rewarding themselves with lavish compensation increases, with the then CEO receiving a 300 percent increase.

I´ve been hearing/reading variations of this for the last 3 days. Is he referring to the current management or the pre-first BK management? Or is it the same management? AND, is it even true???

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Reply 13 - Posted by: shalimar, 11/18/2012 1:38:32 PM     (No. 9022242)

A cowardly and anemic response from thugs.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: balogreene, 11/18/2012 1:41:48 PM     (No. 9022245)

#12, apparently it was a previous management team. Four of the current management team agreed to work for a dollar a year each, if the union took the deal.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Observer177, 11/18/2012 1:42:15 PM     (No. 9022247)

Even the Teamsters financial experts--who had examined Hostess´ books as part of the bankruptcy proceedings--said that the company would go under if workers stuck, and thats why the Teamsters didn´t strike, but still these idiots from the Bakers Union struck.

Now the union president, who makes something like $250K a year and still has his job, blames the company for going under and praises his members stand for "dignity, justice, and respect," except those things don´t put food on the table, tools!

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Reply 16 - Posted by: ocjim, 11/18/2012 1:43:44 PM     (No. 9022252)

Reading the article and the posts, this Hostess demise looks to me to be a complicated story with a considerable business history. So this subject is not done justice by any brief articles and the 30 second catchy news spots on TV of late. While I suspect union boss Frank Hurt and his union did not help the situation, I don´t have the broad understanding about all this to pass judgement.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: DaBigGuy, 11/18/2012 1:46:09 PM     (No. 9022256)

FTA: “Our members were aware that while the company was descending into bankruptcy and demanding deep concessions, the top 10 executives of the company were rewarding themselves with lavish compensation increases, with the then CEO receiving a 300 percent increase."

Sounds eerily similar to the Chicago thugocracy that the union idiots supported on November 6.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: obviousity, 11/18/2012 1:52:19 PM     (No. 9022265)

I´ll conjecture for you #16, Aside from unsustainable benefits it was the union demanded work rules killed the goosetess that laid the golden Twinkies.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Jethro bo, 11/18/2012 1:57:05 PM     (No. 9022275)

Get us to it. More closings and higher unemployment are the rule in a fascist socialist utopia.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Conservativegirl, 11/18/2012 1:59:00 PM     (No. 9022278)

There´s a very good reason why Hostess didn´t invest on modernizing their bakeries. Ironically (not really), it´s the same reason the steel companies didn´t modernize their mills back in the 60s and 70s. Know what it is? Profits were redirected from plant modernization over to ever increasing wages and expanded benefits for union workers. That concludes today´s lesson in Econ 101.


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Reply 21 - Posted by: Wetlandz, 11/18/2012 1:59:38 PM     (No. 9022280)

Unions continue to lie and blame shift.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: TheMotherCO, 11/18/2012 2:02:17 PM     (No. 9022282)

I have seen too many union workers standing around doing nothing and gawd forbid if you are in a hospital with union nurses. I am totally opposed to being forced to join anything just because some fools want to take the salary and not do the work. Right to Work law would be the thing to insist on.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: pigop, 11/18/2012 2:03:43 PM     (No. 9022284)

Any business for profit is there for one purpose, to make money. Material + labor = cost of a "widget". If that cost is lower than what a consumer will pay for, business will go under - unless the left side of the equation changes lower. My Iranian born professor used to say, "close shop"! I digress.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: nonsense, 11/18/2012 2:23:40 PM     (No. 9022308)

Thanks #18, now I get the whole tasteless goosetess tale.

Some high-flootin´ attorney wrote the letter. A $260,000 plus salary does not include letter writtin´.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: ocjim, 11/18/2012 2:29:01 PM     (No. 9022313)

Solution: Some new investors buy the Hostess name and patents and start anew with bakeries in Right-to-Work states. Non Right-to-Work states incur increase Twinkie transportation costs from the bakeries.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: stonepony, 11/18/2012 2:32:09 PM     (No. 9022319)

If you read anything about the work rules the unions imposted on Hostess it is a wonder they lasted as long as they did......

now the union demo thugs can eat cake ....

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Daisymay, 11/18/2012 2:40:45 PM     (No. 9022326)

"They were well aware of the potential consequences of their actions but stood strong for dignity, justice and respect.”

Well...I´m hoping that Dignity, Justice and respect will put food on their tables and pay their Bills. Not sure if they still have their Health Benefits. Maybe the Union will carry them. It just goes to show you the Union Mentality. Just like the Union Thugs in Michigan. Now they´re sitting around wishing they had JOBS. They could work in other Car Plants, but refuse to leave Michigan because "by God I´ve lived here all my life and I ain´t movin for nobody"! Go figure! Is every Union Member a Moron or what?

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Reply 28 - Posted by: Judith, 11/18/2012 2:43:45 PM     (No. 9022336)

What Romney said. They would rather get gifts from the government than work.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: xcergy, 11/18/2012 3:11:08 PM     (No. 9022362)

Seriously #8? It´s many of the vulture capitalists that put the company $800M in debt in the first place. And that is the Union´s fault how? Even with an 8% pay reduction, the company was still doomed to fail.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: NorthernDog, 11/18/2012 3:16:17 PM     (No. 9022371)

Their sales were falling and costs were rising. Union is warned that a strike will break the camel´s back. They strike anyways. This isn´t rocket science folks. Enjoy your life in Obamaville!

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Reply 31 - Posted by: LanieLou, 11/18/2012 3:44:07 PM     (No. 9022399)

You can pay a union thug $5 to carry a sign... but you can´t expect them to give up their jobs to make a point for the union.

This will backfire on unions... big time. The local guys here were screaming at the union rep for lying to them.

In the interim... Hostess should re-open in right to work states only.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: mackrand, 11/18/2012 3:49:18 PM     (No. 9022409)

Thank goodness it doesn´t happen very often here but sometimes I would love to have a down arrow button for a particular post.

By the way, Boeing has some of those absurd work rules forbidding a worker to do multiple jobs. As an outside contractor I once had a grievance filed against me for carrying a small computer up into a portable work stand at Boeing Vertol in Philadelphia. Everybody laughed and I didn´t do that again during working hours where the union people could see me.

So a relatively small company, as opposed to Boeing, just would not be able to absorb those extra costs and survive. I´m not surprised at all at this result. Wait for it, it will spread. No wonder Boeing is expanding in a right to work state. They cannot afford the extra costs either. Like a terminal cancer it is.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: AnnG, 11/18/2012 3:52:51 PM     (No. 9022412)

Good way to bust the union, close the doors.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: iamtinman, 11/18/2012 3:55:05 PM     (No. 9022415)

What a touching statement from the union bosses who are btw NOT losing their highly paid jobs. Other companies are going to take up the manufacturing and they won´t have so many ridiculous work rules. Hope those 18,000 folks have saved up, unemployment doesn´t buy many Christmas presents.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: Passion, 11/18/2012 3:58:29 PM     (No. 9022420)

...and your point 33?

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Reply 36 - Posted by: preciosodrogas, 11/18/2012 4:45:20 PM     (No. 9022487)

Hi Honey! I´m home.
Great! Give me your paycheck the mortgage is due, we are out of food, and Jimmy has an orthodontist appointment.
Well, I don´t exactly have a paycheck ... but I got this great letter from Hurt that says I preserved my Dignity today.
#33, the company didn´t bust anything, the Baker´s union did. The company was able to work with 39 unions. It was the Baker´s union that busted the company.
A union should get nothing more than wages and company stock; with a buy-out of the employee´s stock upon retirement or leaving the company.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: kono, 11/18/2012 5:20:36 PM     (No. 9022530)

Looks like Carlos Slim is poised to have Bimbo bakeries buy Hostess and move production south of the border. Now Mexico can supply both the pot and the munchies. Pretty savvy.

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Reply 38 - Posted by: RochFireball, 11/18/2012 5:21:19 PM     (No. 9022531)

I read some articles about the big picture and they stated that Hostess had a cash flow problem, $2 billion in pension fund shortfall and was being squeezed by rising commodity prices (which in the past have fallen during a recession).

The company was quite ill and the Baker´s Union finished them off by cutting off their cash flow.

They will probably get acquired by Bimbo SA, a large Mexican firm that owns most of the other bakeries in the USA. This will be great for Twinkie lovers, but not so good for Hostess employees, since Bimbo already has bakeries and distribution centers and probably won´t need most of the Hostess employees and real estate to take over making the Hostess products.

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Reply 39 - Posted by: earlybird, 11/18/2012 5:39:16 PM     (No. 9022550)

I can´t believe that any thinking person, and especially an LDotter who is expected to be a cut above the rest, would buy Hurt´s self-serving letter, which was undoubtedly written for him by the union´s lawyer.

We still remember the Southern California grocery workers´ strike which left a lot of workers unemployed for a long time. Meanwhile the head of the union, intent on keeping the strike going for as long as it took, continued to draw his $250K +++ salary and benefits.

The strike made Trader Joe´s, which went from an excellent local specialty grocer to a major player. TJ has been thriving ever since. And many shoppers found that they could get along without the supermarkets that were struck.

I was menaced by picketers in front of one Vons market about dusk. Scared the daylights out of me. That was the last time I was ever anywhere near that market.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: Packard Man, 11/18/2012 5:55:43 PM     (No. 9022568)

So they have no jobs/income and what are the other prospects for same? Who will pay their pensions now? Sounds like both management and the union were too dumb by half.

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Reply 41 - Posted by: Refried, 11/18/2012 6:39:23 PM     (No. 9022619)

I think "vulture capitalism" will be the buzz word for the Marxists in the White House.

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Reply 42 - Posted by: bob913, 11/18/2012 6:56:40 PM     (No. 9022636)

#39 I too remember that strike. I remember picketers following customers out to their cars to try to intimate them.

I had one lady do that to me. I laughed as I knew what they were being paid at the time (good wage and striking over them having to pay a little into their healthcare and not cuts in wages) and knew they were going to lose. I later saw her at another store and she recognized me : )

The store workers now get 30/hrs a week and no healthcare thanks to the democrats and obamacare. The union boss´s moves on to other fools without missing a check.

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Reply 43 - Posted by: Patriot Forever, 11/18/2012 8:41:47 PM     (No. 9022753)

Don´t need to buy no health insurance cause obamacare is FREE!!

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Reply 44 - Posted by: xcenturion, 11/19/2012 12:58:18 AM     (No. 9022985)

Talk about a Hurts donut.

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Reply 45 - Posted by: bighambone, 11/19/2012 2:32:45 PM     (No. 9023988)

Maybe this bakers´ union should go on down to Mexico and attempt to organize the Mexican bakers who will now start making Hostess products like Twinkies and see what misfortune befalls them.

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Houston Chronicle, by Jennifer A. Dlouhy    Original Article
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WASHINGTON — Former President Jimmy Carter joined fellow Nobel laureates Wednesday in opposing Keystone XL, insisting that approving the pipeline would trigger “more climate upheaval” around the globe. In an open letter to President Barack Obama and Secretary of State John Kerry, Carter and the nine other Nobel Peace Prize winners bluntly warned the leaders: “Your decision on the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline will define your climate legacy.” The missive, published as an advertisement in Politico, represents the first time Carter has taken a position on the $5.4 billion project and makes him the first former president to come

Fox News Poll: Many voters say Obama lies
to the country on important matters

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Fox News, by Dana Blanton    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/16/2014 7:39:27 PM     Post Reply
About six in ten American voters think Barack Obama lies to the country on important matters some or most of the time, according to a Fox News poll released Wednesday. Thirty-seven percent think Obama lies “most of the time,” while another 24 percent say he lies “some of the time.” Twenty percent of voters say “only now and then” and 15 percent “never.” Click here for the poll results. President Obama has been accused by political opponents and media fact-checkers alike of telling falsehoods. Frequently cited: His repeated claim that under Obamacare “If you like your plan, you can keep


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